I have had issues with the way livejournal handles so many things, but none of them have made me want to leave livejournal for good. Until now. If a journal or community was not updated within the last 24 months, its gone. How much of fandom's history will be gone in one swoop? Think about all the journals that haven't been updated in years but they still have fic you love to read? There are literally too many for me to name.

I will not renew my paid account and take my business to dreamwidth and encourage others to do the same. Seriously, this is the last straw for me.







There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.

From: [identity profile] werewolfsfan.livejournal.com


I'm devastated about this! We're losing enough fanworks as it is when internet archives disappear or users decide to remove their work. But this wanton destruction is deliberate! The worst is that there are people cheering LJ on. BECAUSE THEY WANY SOME USERNAME THAT SOME HAS AND ISN"T ACTIVELY USING.

But moving to Dreamwidth does nothing for the issue of how to save the fics and art in journals whose owners can't be reached.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I am too, and it is going to start in August. So much is going to be gone forever. And if their code has a glitch and it touches active users and content is lost? What then? I will be doing frequent migrations of content to my DW account between then and now.

That user name selfishness just makes my blood boil. I don't have the user name I originally wanted but for fucks sake. Is it really that goddam important?

I know it doesn't, but what else can I do? If they go through with this, I can't support them.

Thank god for AO3 and as much as I hate to say it, fanfiction.net. I need to get all of my stuff in both places.

From: [identity profile] werewolfsfan.livejournal.com


I just noticed something about LJ earning fees now via tokens when users want to change their names to the "cool" ones currently occupied by people who have left this joint! Making sense now.......?

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Huh, look at that. LJ is so stupid. That is not a long term source of income to support the site. That is a short term capitol boost.

I hope they consider intellectual property rights before they do this, or if they don't they get sued.
Edited Date: 2010-07-15 04:41 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.

From: [identity profile] werewolfsfan.livejournal.com


I'm greatly relieved by the edit but I do believe it came because of the fire storm of reaction including someone who made a long and specific post about copy right law with links.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I hadn't seen the comment about copywrite law with links, only the comment I linked to you. Thank goodness someone showed them the error. Why they couldn't come to that on their own I'll never know.

From: [identity profile] rj-lupins-kat.livejournal.com


That is soooo not right. For many reasons, one of which you j ust listed.

Another is that sometimes you keep an old journal - you're not going to update it, but it is a piece of your new/current journal and you don't want to lose it, either. Plus, those who have sadly passed away, their journals are kept up for people to read in their memory; no one is going to desicrate them by 'updating' them, but they should be allowed to stay.

LJ needs some reminders as to why people would stay here instead of escaping to Facebook. *sigh*

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


For those that have passed away the journals can be memorialized.

I think that you don't have to update an old journal, you just have to log into it. I am also worried about code glitches.

LJ does need some reminders. It is hard to believe that with as much as fandom uses LJ, LJ still doesn't seem to get it.

From: [identity profile] rj-lupins-kat.livejournal.com


Hah. We're assuming some of us even remember the passwords to said journals... and with old e-mails. *sigh*

Still, I don't like the whole 'it's old, let's purge it' deal. There are other, more practical reasons why that's not a good idea for the powers that be.

And fandoms? Oh, yeah. Big time. I don't post any of my work to other blog-based sites, just one or two fanfic only sites.


From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


What makes me the angriest is that reason for the purge is to free up user names? How fucking selfish is that?

From: [identity profile] rj-lupins-kat.livejournal.com


Seriously. If people can't create their own with a little ingenuity, then they've bigger problems to worry about.

*sigh*

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.

From: [identity profile] daytimetrauma.livejournal.com


omg my heart just skipped.

I have so many bookmarked pages of my favorite fics and some of those journals have definitely not been updated in years. *sobs*

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I know, it sucks. I do too and its all just going to vanish.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.
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From: [personal profile] ghostgum


Damn, this sort of thing makes me mad. I know that LJ isn't solely made up of fandom-types, but you'd think that LJ would nevertheless understand how important fandom is – in a bloody economic sense, frankly – despite that. As someone who has a habit of getting into fandoms a long time after they were popular, the sheer loss of fanworks, in particular, really makes me sad. And kind of seriously pissed off. Not to mention the simple erasion of whole segments of fan/internet history, more or less.

Frankly, I had already decided, some time ago, that I wouldn't be renewing my paid account here, when it comes due, and that I would move permanently to DW instead. This kind of thing? Just reminds me why.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Yeah, its got to be one of their dumbest business moves yet and that's saying something. Because fandom has proven more than one occasion that if you piss it off, it will leave.

The loss is just staggering. I mean, I don't even know where to begin. I feel like I ought to run around and save everything but its not my work.

Which brings up another interesting point and that is copywrite. Does LJ have the legal right to remove someone else's content?
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From: [personal profile] ghostgum


The loss is just staggering.
This. Exactly, this. I wouldn't even know where to begin, if I wanted to try and scurry around and save things I have bookmarked; and that would be if I even felt I had the right to, you know? It's an impossible situation.

Made worse by their rationale for doing it in the first place. And don't even get me started on the folks who think it's a good idea. D:

As to the copyright issue, that is a damn can of worms at the best of times, grr.

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


O.O
Really? no way! *frets* I have to go and start archiving thing! this is insane! I guess i'll have to start using my dream width account. *sigh* thanks for the heads up

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


I'm going to start archinging asap! at the moment i'm about to fly over to simonsflowers' and madmaud's journal and start saving web pages and stories in pdfs. Do you have any journals/authors that we i can add to the list?

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Quite a few in Sirius/Hermione. I'm not as familiar with the older Remus/Sirius sites. Also, it used to be everyone posted in comms, there is less of that now with links back to personal journals but think about a comm like hp_literotica or bitextuals or at least 100 others. Christ, its fucking awful.

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


I'm jumping into action ASAP! gimmie ten minutes and a i'll get a community dedicated to preserving the fandom up. i'll need you for pimpage (is that alright?)

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


This is a really interesting idea. It is late and I have to get to bed but I will converse with you some more tomorrow about this. I have one or two reservations on the basis of doing something with someone else's work. But I understanding the reasoning behind it.

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


well i dont think we'd really be doing much other than saving the files, and if the author wants them of then so be it but honestly its a shame to loose all the fics and pictures.

goodnight sweet dreams ^^

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Okay, back from work, marginally not braindead. I'll admit quite freely that the desire to preserve fanworks, particularly when it can it can practically be assumed that the creator never intended to take them down, is crowding out most if not all of my reservations. But, for what its worth, here are my reservations. Once the fic and art is preserved (because I have no issue with that whatsoever) what happens then? Is it reposted somewhere, because that is where I start to have doubts about whether or not this is as good idea. There are some fantastic Sirius/Hermione authors like [livejournal.com profile] satinvalkyrie and [livejournal.com profile] rosie_rd73 who haven't touched their journal since 2006 that I would hate to see gone, and if livejournal hadn't done some quick backpeddling when the shit hit the fan they would have been gone. They have changed their mind now, and have said that if the journal has content it won't be touched.

I'm so paranoid about all this that I ljarchived [livejournal.com profile] hermionesirius. I don't know how to share that kind of file though.

Anyway, so those are my thoughts. I'm not comfortable with reposting another persons work and I won't tell you not to, but I can't help you pimp either. I'm just not comfortable. I've had my work reposted without permission and it was really awful not to have control over something I had created.

If reposting wasn't the plan though I'd love to hear more and would be glad to lend whatever support I can.

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


Well when you put it that way I can understand the reservations.I wasn't intending on posting the fics but putting the fics into a zip file and having it availabe for.download or mailing to eachother like the franticbabbles pdf that's been floating about.

If you don't feel that this is okay then I'll take the com down. The last thing I want to do is make people upset or uncomfortable.


From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


The difference with the franticbabbles situation is that in order to get the file, you have to request it. It's not sitting out on the internet for anyone to nab. Having a zip file available on the internet is still a little iffy in my mind. It's a knee-jerk reaction, maybe, and it is only my opinion, after all.

Sweetie, don't take the comm down on my account. If this is something you want to do, then do it. I'm not chastising you or judging you in anyway.

I really don't have that many thinky thoughts on intellectual property rights. I'm just kinda offering my thoughts and thinking my way through this with you.

From: [identity profile] deathjunke.livejournal.com


I understand that but there are many like minded people out there if it makes one person uncomfortable i think it may make a few more people uncomfortable as well. what if
The completed archived entries are saved in the community's email and then people can request what they want to be emailed to them.

For example: A certain day could be picked to fulfill requests like for example all tof the weeks request can be filled on Thursdays. so who ever made a request in a comment to the community or the email (which ever is more convenient) during the week would receive an email with the pdf on Thursday.


btw you're a great sounding board


From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I have to give this some more thought and my brain is really tired. This made more sense when everything was going away come August 1st, though I am still paranoid and don't trust livejournal.

Let me consider making a meta post that I will link to [livejournal.com profile] metafandom so that a discussion with fandom at large can happen. The possibility for backlash from fandom types that disagree and do so vehemently exists, I fear, and the last thing you'd want is for all of fandom to descend on you with knives. That never ends well.

From: [identity profile] comicsbycate.livejournal.com


Are you serious!?!

*cries*

Yeah, time to start using my dreamwidth account.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


There was an edit apparently.

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

The part in bold was not there before.
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From: [personal profile] ghostgum


Have you seen the sudden edit?

EDIT: Purging inactive accounts: One of the benefits of the work we've done to purge suspended accounts is that we will now be able to purge inactive journals and communities too--something you've been requesting for years! A journal is defined as inactive if it has not been logged into for 24 consecutive months and has only one post (i.e., the welcome post). A community is defined as inactive if has not been updated for 24 consecutive months and has only one entry and no comments.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I had not see that edit. It didn't say that before. There was no mention of only having one post.
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From: [personal profile] ghostgum


It seriously just appeared when I refreshed the page. Indeed.

From: [identity profile] epithalamium002.livejournal.com


Just saw the edit. Does it mean, if a journal has more than one post, but has not been logged into for 2 years, it's not exactly inactive? I don't get it. D:

I copy some of the fics I like and store them in my hard drive, but it's still a good experience seeing them where they were originally posted. Aside from the fics themselves, the comments are fun to read too, actually. idk.

As for the usernames that they can 'free' up for other people, uhm, you still have to pay 15 dollars for a username that's been used by someone else before. It's all a matter of money.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Yeah, I think so. If the journal has content it is safe by the sound of it.

I think this boils down to money too. Because LJ wants to sell the user names that people want. And they can't if those user names are taken by someone who is inactive.

From: [identity profile] sabriel75.livejournal.com


No it wasn't! Hahaha... they had better stick to that too, because I will cry if some of my favorite journals are gone when they get done. *stares angrily at Frank*

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


Yeah, that was a bit of fast back tracking when users started to quote copywrite violations to the staff. Losing those fanworks would be a tragedy.

From: [identity profile] whitmans-kiss.livejournal.com


I'll see how this plays out, but I may move to Dreamwidth or InsaneJournal myself if something wonky goes down because of this - I'm not as invested on LJ as I used to be, and I don't mind starting over again if I have to.

I'm pissed off. This doesn't affect my personal journals, but I am just shocked at all the potential loss of fanworks.

What about journals whose only purpose was to post comments, like RP puppet journals, and thus have no entries? Those journals and comments will be gone. I mean, come on.

And the code bugs frighten me as well.

From: [identity profile] ceredwensirius.livejournal.com


I've got extra codes if you need them.

I was livid last night. I'm glad they are back tracking but that only happened after users started quoting copywrite law and basically rioted on the news post.

Some of them equated it with book burning.

Yeah, the way it affects RP journals is awful and I think those are still in danger if there is no content on them at all.

Yeah, me too. Glitches happen all the time and one in this initiative could be disastrous.
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